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SLAYER
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Dave Ling - December 2002
previously published in Metal Hammer magazine
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"When
we formed Slayer our goal was to be the heaviest, most ferocious
band on the planet," says reclusive drummer Dave Lombardo.
"The money, the alcohol and the women
the fame? No,
they were never as important to me as the playing. The other
guys may have done it for the chicks or whatever, I just really
liked being onstage and playing music."
"At that age, chicks and beer were definitely what motivated
me," grins guitarist Kerry King. "No, better make
that chicks and pot!"
"Pot's always been there for me, but I just wanted to be
in a band," adds quietly spoken bassist/vocalist Tom Araya.
"Kerry called me up and said he'd met a guitarist and drummer
and was looking for bassist and singer. They came over, I learned
the songs and that was the start of Slayer." |
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year was 1981. King had been in a previous band with Araya.
Guitarist Jeff Hanneman completed the line-up
to great
effect. Just a handful of names in any genre will merit use
of the term 'legendary', but few could dispute its relevance
to Slayer. While other acts have sold more records, scaled higher
pinnacles of fame or achieved trendiness for five-minute interludes,
many of those names are now asking customers whether they'd
like fries with that. On the other hand, Slayer have carved
a thriving career from the twin principles of consistency and
stripped-down brutality. |
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"Our
first ever gig was atrocious. We were dressed in spandex and
we sucked!
The spandex thing came from liking the Scorpions"
Kerry
King |
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A
mixture of contrasting characters has enabled Slayer to find
their current niche. The creative pendulum has swung back and
forth during their 21 years together, some members dominating
the writing of one particular album, others the next. With rival
bands, fragile egos wouldn't be able to withstand such imbalance,
but Slayer seem bound by a unique bond. Their only real glitch
has been Dave Lombardo. One of the fastest, intricate and powerful
drummers in metal, Dave has always been a very different animal
to Tom, Kerry and Hanneman - as our opening quote demonstrates.
While the band were achieving their commercial breakthrough
in the latter half of the 1980s, the other three increasingly
ostracized Lombardo. At the root of the problems was Dave's
insistence that his wife Theresa travelled with him on the road.
On a crucial British tour in 1987, the pair - referred to by
the rest of the band as "Ken and Barbie", after the
matching toy dolls - even had their own dressing room.
Dave has quit and re-joined Slayer on at least two occasions,
his longest time away being a ten-year spell that ended back
in January when he agreed to help the band out with touring
activities, billed as "guest star" instead of band
member. Slowly, a fragile peace has been established. Along
with musical chemistry, personal bridges have been rebuilt.
Nobody outside of Slayer's inner circle has known whether Lombardo
is likely to remain with the band long-term, or whether he even
considers it a possibility - until now. So stay with us while
we examine the past, present and future of this remarkable killing
machine. |
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Formed
in the Los Angeles suburb of Huntington Beach, Slayer began
like any other fledgling band, working day jobs and playing
cover versions in small clubs and schools. Their earliest shows
were based around cover versions of the day's metal standards.
Judas Priest's 'Genocide' and 'Beyond The Realms Of Death' rubbed
shoulders with several tunes from Iron Maiden's 'Number Of The
Beast', 'Highway Star' by Deep Purple, 'Sin City' by AC/DC and
even UFO's 'Lights Out'. Kerry still has cassettes and photos
of these shows, but for understandable reasons is reluctant
to release them. All four remember it as a thrillingly nïave
era.
"We'd always play the songs that nobody else played, the
harder-edged ones," Lombardo recollects. "It was a
cool period in our history."
"Our first ever gig was fucking atrocious," laughs
Kerry. "It was a Battle Of The Bands; we were dressed in
spandex and we sucked! I think the spandex thing came from liking
the Scorpions. But it didn't seem to matter at the time whether
it lasted 20 months or 20 years, because eventually people seemed
to like it and we kept on getting gigs." |
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But
as Jeff Hanneman reveals, "There was never any master plan
for success", and Araya admits that his only real wish
was that Slayer would some day release their own vinyl album.
It was Dave Lombardo's decision to integrate a punkier, speedier
style into their music that enabled Tom's dream to come true.
"Jeff was listening to a lot of the punk stuff and he turned
me on to it," says Dave. "I kind of took it to that
next step. I guess what I brought them was the feeling, and
the groove."
"At the time, I didn't get the punk thing, but I found
Venom and Motörhead instead," admits King. "So
we fused all that shit together."
At the time, Araya was studying to be a respiratory therapist,
maintaining life support systems, and King admits to working
nights. "I was a thief," he says. "I worked in
a toy store and a pet store, and I stole them both blind."
"I was a technical draughtsman," adds Dave. "I
designed enclosures for generator sets. Until I couldn't hold
that job anymore, when we were on the road too much." |
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The
turning point came in 1983, when Brian Slagel of Metal Blade
Records spoke to Dave Lombardo after a gig at a venue called
Woodstock. Although Dave temporarily mislaid Slagel's card,
Slayer ended up cutting the track 'Aggressive Perfector' for
the 'Metal Massacre III' album. By the end of that year, they
had spent a week and $1,400 recording a full-length album called
'Show No Mercy'.
"We'd listened to the first two 'Metal Massacre' records,
and we knew we could do something better than that shit,"
states Tom dismissively. "So we purposely wrote something
heavier, faster and more extreme. 'Aggressive Perfector' became
the blueprint of Slayer to come." |
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"Dave
Mustaine was a prick, is a prick and always will be a prick"
Kerry
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Metal
Blade handed the novice, penniless quartet a list of dates and
despatched them on their first tour across America
in Tom's
car! A couple of years later, with their second album 'Hell Awaits'
and the 'Haunting The Chapel' EP having fanned the flames of a
growing reputation, a similar experience occurred during their
first European outing.
"We were so young and idiotic, but we had no fear,"
recalls Tom proudly. "We got on a plane and landed in London,
expecting to be met with a tour bus. But we had to drive ourselves
and navigate, and being the oldest I had to sign the van rental
form!"
The trek included a now legendary sold-out show at London's Marquee
Club. Attended by a mixture of metalheads, punks and assorted
drunken freaks, Slayer were astounded to be spat at by their excited
audience. Recoils King: "Nottingham Rock City was even worse.
You got those globules on the frets, but you couldn't stop playing.
I felt sorry for Tom, who was a sitting target. He was covered
in loogies." |
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To make matters worse, although 'Show No Mercy' and 'Hell Awaits'
had quickly sold 60,000 and 100,00 copies respectively, Slayer
were still treated as a joke by the press. Bristles Jeff: "We
liked our music and we didn't give a fuck what some asshole
reviewer said. It just didn't fucking matter."
The spandex and make-up image of their early years were soon
outgrown, a leather, studs and crucifix-fixated look suiting
emerging material like 'The Antichrist' and 'Hell Awaits'. To
top it all, King began to wear hand-made wristbands that sported
three-inch spikes.
A widely published photo of the day saw the foursome leering
over a scantily-clad woman that Hanneman later married, sporting
menacing facial grimaces and looking, as Lombardo now agrees,
"pretty silly." But, as he points out, "maybe
in 15 Limp Bizkits and Korns will look at themselves and say
the same thing."
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In
1985, a year before their big breakthrough, Kerry took a temporary
leave to fill in with Megadeth, ex-Metallica guitarist Dave Mustaine's
newly formed outfit. But when it came to making a choice between
Slayer or Megadeth, he had no doubts.
"I played some shows with them, but Dave's not happy unless
everyone around him is miserable," he points out. "I
don't even remember whether he wanted me to stay
but Mustaine
was a prick, is a prick and always will be a prick - and I'm sure
I'm not the only one who thinks that."
Slayer's self-confidence was vindicated the following year. Produced
by rap impresario Rick Rubin, maverick owner of hip-hop label
Def Jam, 'Reign In Blood' remains not only their best album to
date, but a cornerstone in the development of extreme music. Rubin
has since worked with artists like System Of A Down and the Red
Hot Chili Peppers, but in 1986 a collaboration with a band like
Slayer was deemed impossible. At the time, however, the group
themselves didn't comprehend the magnitude of their creation.
"It was ahead of its time and we thought it sounded great,
but we've never been a band to analyse things too deeply,"
reflects Tom. Jeff agrees: "To us it was a masterpiece, but
we didn't know whether anyone else would agree
and we didn't
even fucking care!"
Lombardo even suggests that Rubin's name helped them to be taken
seriously. He says: "How could the press disrespect a band
that somebody that well respected was working with? The only reason
they turned their heads around was because of Rick. They wouldn't
have given a shit if we were still on our own and making the same
records."
Have Slayer ever considered what might have happened if they'd
not crossed paths with Rick Rubin?
"That's a good question, I've never thought about it before,"
Kerry ponders. "Rick took the reverb out of our sound and
made us into what we wanted to be, but don't forget that they
were a bunch of great songs."
"Honestly, we might still be doing the Metal Blade thing,"
considers Tom. "We'd probably still be taking things day
by day, which is what we still do now." |
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"What
did you want 'Angel Of Death' to say, 'Ooooh, Mengele was a
very, very bad man?'"
Jeff
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'Angel
Of Death', the opening track from 'Reign In Blood' was penned
by Hanneman about infamous Auschwitz doctor Josef Mengele. It
caused considerable controversy, even causing Def Jam's UK distributor
to pass on issuing the album here (London Records later picked
it up). 'Angel Of Death' was one of several war-themed songs
written by Hanneman, whose own father had fought at Normandy,
and whose band-mates Araya and Lombardo were of Cuban and Chilean
extraction. The song included the line "Sickening ways
to achieve the holocaust", but because it did not actually
condemn Mengele, Slayer were branded Nazis.
"What did you want it to say, 'Ooooh, he was a very, very
bad man?' - that's not what Slayer is about," Jeff protests
sarcastically, to the amusement of the others. "That song
was true, but we're a band that just tell stories. I have no
regrets. You watch a documentary about Mengele on TV and who
complains? We were on tour, I bought a book about him and realised
what a sick fuck he was. So I wrote a song, that's the way this
band often works."
During the 'Reign In Blood' tour, Lombardo quit Slayer for the
first time. He was briefly replaced by TJ Scaglione of Whiplash,
but eventually returned. Dave's now unwilling to go into detail,
commenting: "There were a lot of problems for me, and I
wasn't happy." So Slayer followed 'Reign In Blood' with
the slower, yet equally crushing 'South Of Heaven' in 1988.
"That was the only premeditated record we've ever done,"
admits Kerry. "Going into it we knew we had to do something
that nobody would expect." The album's single 'Mandatory
Suicide' sported artwork featuring a teenager who'd hung himself
in his bedroom. It stirred up further headlines, but again Slayer
are utterly unrepentant.
"We're not answerable to anyone for anything," says
Kerry, sounding slightly irritated. "If I stab you in the
throat I'll take responsibility for that, but
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But
what if your sleeve tipped somebody considering the idea of suicide
over the edge? "Man, they were already fucked up to begin
with," he says dismissively. "Sometimes people kill
each other - and themselves - for no reason".
Over the years, Slayer have had what they laughingly term "discussions"
with those who've chosen to picket their shows, but mostly one-sided
ones. Araya once sat down to talk at length with an evangelist
that he refuses to name, but came away frustrated that while he
was sometimes willing to take on boards the preacher's opinions,
it wasn't unanimous. The strangest thing is that the bassist has
a foot in both camps. A man of strong Christian beliefs, he's
nevertheless happy to stand on stage and sing songs like 'Evil
Has No Boundaries'.
"I believe in God," says Tom quietly. "Kerry's
written most of our Satanic lyrics, but I've never been asked
to sing anything I've been uncomfortable with."
Likewise, the difference between Tom onstage and off is staggering.
Mild-mannered and polite in person, he's introduced Slayer songs
with references to performing oral sex on female corpses ("Every
time I eat them out, I can feel the maggots crunching in my teeth").
"I'm a laid-back guy, that stage persona is just a part of
me," he responds. "It's like a switch that goes on and
off. We could sit here and I could freak you with discussions
about some sick, fucked-up shit - but we don't have to." |
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who'd read a book on the serial killer Ed Gein, turned it into
the standout song 'Dead Skin Mask' on Slayer's next album, 1990's
'Seasons In The Abyss'. The band appeared on the European leg
of Clash Of The Titans tour, alongside Testament, Suicidal Tendencies
and headliners Megadeth, however it ws marred by Slayer and
Megadeth bickering about each other in the press. '
Abyss'
was to be the last studio album to feature Dave Lombardo, who
quit - seemingly for good - two years later. When asked why,
he now responds: "I don't want to touch that question.
I only want to talk about positive things." |
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didn't like Dave's wife being around. She'd even sit next to
him on the drum riser
and if she wanted to screw with his head she could do that"
Kerry
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"At
the time, it was a relief for me - probably for all of us,"
reveals Kerry. "Dave's performances were going downhill,
yet now he's playing better than he was 12 years ago - he's kicking
ass. But at that point, something had to be done. Yeah, we didn't
like his wife being around, but looking back it was all about
performance. The two things were related because she would fuck
up his playing; she'd even sit next to him on the drum riser and
if she wanted to screw with his head she could do that. And we
couldn't afford to fuck up at that level."
In 1991, Slayer celebrated their tenth anniversary with the double
concert set 'Decade Of Aggression'. Recorded in London, California
and Florida, it caught the original line-up at their peak.
Ex-Forbidden skinsman Paul Bostaph, Lombardo's replacement, had
enormous shoes to fill, but the new Slayer line-up received the
seal of approval at Castle Donington in '92. Relations between
Slayer and their former drummer had worsened, and it was rumoured
that they gave Bostaph a Gold album for work recorded with Lombardo,
telling Dave if he wanted one, then he had to buy it himself! |
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1993
was a relatively quiet year for Slayer, save for releasing the
collaborative track 'Disorder' with Ice-T on the 'Judgement Night'
soundtrack album. Bostaph did a great job on 1994's 'Divine Intervention',
an album that many felt was the natural successor to 'Reign In
Blood'. It even made the US Top Ten - despite a sleeve that featured
a fan carving the band's name into his arm. Hanneman's song 'SS-3',
which was about Nazi hangman Reinhard Heydrich, also revived old
media hostilities.
"The 'Divine Intervention' record had a horrible muddy mix,
but Bostaph and Lombardo were both gods," enthuses King.
"I've not seen every drummer in the world, but those are
the two best dudes I've seen." |
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Slayer
played Donington again in 1995, also accusing new kids on the
block Sepultura of trying to steal their sound with the 'Chaos
A.D.' album. Although the two parties have since reconciled,
Tom now says: "It's true - they stole our sound because
they hired (producer) Andy Wallace. And they got Andy because
they liked what he'd done with us."
After Bostaph bailed, ex-Testament man John Dette joined them
for 'Undisputed Attitude'. An album comprising mainly of punk
rock covers, it's regarded as perhaps the one moment when Slayer
lost the plot. The band disagree.
"I love that record - it rules!" Kerry objects. "Tom's
spitting shit out at top speed, it's bad-ass and it's where
we came from." And Jeff protests: "Of all our albums,
that's the one I play the most - probably because we don't do
those songs live. But it's awesome."
And Dette's performance on 'Undisputed Attitude'?
King: "Jon ripped as a drummer; he can play anybody else's
shit to a tee, but making up his own stuff
that wasn't
so happening."
With his experimental project The Truth About Seafood finally
purged from his system, Bostaph rejoined Slayer for 1998's Rick
Rubin-produced 'Diabolus In Musica' and the current 'God Hates
Us All' before quitting last Christmas, citing an arm injury.
The band share my confusion with the fact that Bostaph suddenly
seems well enough to have joined Systematic.
"I was stunned when Paul said he was leaving, he I were
the band's bar-rats," comments Kerry. "He told us
four days before the end of a tour, and he only had a few weeks
before another tour was due to begin. It's a little weird, but
if he left Slayer for the reason he said he did - that he was
worried about tendonitis affecting his career as a drummer
well, Systematic is nowhere near as demanding a gig. Personally,
I think he could've got treatment and continued to play with
us."
Hanneman reveals that as soon as he put down the phone on the
call about Bostaph's departure, one word crept into his head:
Lombardo.
"You did?" responds an astonished Kerry. "I'd
seen Dave playing with Testament, and it wasn't that good. But
when Rick [Sales, manager] suggested it, I wasn't opposed to
the idea, as long as he came in and kicked ass."
Though extremely satisfied at the way things are proceeding,
Kerry, Tom and Jeff remain evasive about the possibility of
Dave remaining with Slayer.
"We'll review the situation at the end of our American
tour," comments Tom. "Are we aware that it's what
the fans want? Of course." |
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"I
had no problem with opening for Slipknot because I knew they
had one great record in them,
and that the second one would be even tougher for them"
Tom
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How
far would you bend over backwards to keep Dave with Slayer?
Kerry explodes with laughter, snorting: "That's a question
I'm not touching! As people, we're cool again. It's possible
he'll stay
and it's not impossible."
Tom: "It's all down to Dave. He knew us then and he knows
us now."
So let's see what Dave Lombardo has to say for himself.
"This is the first interview I've done in a lo-o-o-ong
time," he points out. "I kinda get discouraged by
interviews, I just don't like doing them."
Consequently, very few people really know where the media-shy
Dave's head's at in 2002. Reunited with Slayer after the sudden
departure of Paul Bostaph, he has been touring with the band
again since January. Slayer and their organisation have tried
to make things real easy for the sticksman - no in-stores, no
signings and no interviews
except this one!
After quitting in 1992, Lombardo admits he didn't really follow
Slayer's fortunes. He says: "I didn't really have to, word
of what they were doing came to me. I heard the first record
they did without me ['Divine Intervention'] and then the punk
one ['Undisputed Attitude']. I didn't actually purchase them,
but people brought them by."
So were there moments when he regretted the decision?
"No," he insists. "Everything happens for a reason
and I've accepted that. But things have turned full circle and
it's better now." |
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Is
that musically or personality-wise?
"Both, I guess. I feel I'm playing better now than I was
ten years ago. I never expected to come back to Slayer, but
people around me that I've respected kept saying, 'Dude, they'll
call again one day'. And it's all going well. That hour and
a half on stage is the most important event of the day, we put
200 per cent into it. Some of our personalities have changed
and some stayed the same. But there's a definite good vibe,
a sense of respect towards each other. We've matured and that
helps immensely."
So when are you due to discuss whether you'll remain with Slayer?
"It's not a matter of staying or going, it's about organising
our time," he cagily replies. "I also play with other
groups. Slayer will be having some time off, so I'm gonna work
on another Fantomas album [with singer Mike Patton]. When that's
done, I could work with Slayer again." |
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saying that you envisage remaining with Slayer where schedules
permit?
"Everything's cool and I'm optimistic that issues can be
resolved," insists Dave. "We're playing this day by
day and tour by tour. And, yeah, I'd like to keep it going."
'Reinventing The Steel' album and Tom made his peace with Max
Cavalera, agreeing to guest on Soulfly's 'Primitive'. He now
says: "Max is kinda reclusive, but he's a really nice guy
when you get to talk to him."
2000 was a relatively quiet year, though in June, Slayer appeared
with Iron Maiden at Earl's Court in London as part of the Metal
2000 bill. The aforementioned 'God Hates Us All' was produced
by Matt Hyde (Monster Magnet/Sum 41) with Rubin looking over
his shoulder. As well as the return of Lombardo as a "special
guest" in 2002, as Slayer played a series of incredible
shows across Europe, including the Ozzfest at Donington Park.
Machine Head's Robb Flynn lambasted Kerry, claiming he looked
like a member of Right Said Fred who'c eaten too many hamburgers.
King's withering response: "It's nice to know that Flynn
seems so well-informed about fags." |
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Slayer
have outlived numerous musical fads and now find themselves cast
in the mould of their heroes Motörhead. Traditionally stuck
in the middle of the bill at events like the Ozzfest, they appeal
to the young and old alike and have a habit of wiping the stage
with most of the bands that follow them.
After 21 years in the business, reliable old Slayer have reportedly
collected just five Gold albums, but insist they're happy with
their place in life.
"Actually, I think it's just four," Kerry corrects me.
Okay, so how do Slayer feel when a band like Slipknot comes along,
sells a million right off the bat, and they end up supporting
them?
"I had no problem with opening for Slipknot because I knew
they had one great record in them, and that the second one would
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"If
there's a third one, it'll be called 'Make Or Break' - but it
won't break us," guffaws Jeff, unleashing a particularly
noxious fart. "No, if we have to go on earlier than we
think we should, that's our chance to go and drink beer and
enjoy Ozzy. We don't sit around and complain, or even think
about it."
Hanneman and King experimented with new tunings and even a seven-string
guitar on 'God Hates Us All', but they're still accused of repeating
the same album. Yeah, you guessed it
they don't give a
fuck.
"Why would we try to be like Korn?" retorts King.
"Why would anybody who likes metal want to play that stuff?
It fucking sucks."
It's also overlooked that Slayer collaborated with Ice-T on
the track 'Disorder' for the 'Judgement Night' soundtrack in
1993, an album that teamed up such unlikely bedfellows as Cypress
Hill and Pearl Jam, and Run DMC and Living Colour.
"You know why that is?" says Tom proudly. "It's
because there was no rap on that song - the only song on that
album, and the best song."
Have they seen anybody that might someday take the flame from
them? There's a lot of embarrassed shuffling, so I mention Hatebreed,
who Kerry has praised in the past.
"They're cool, but they're more one-dimensional than us,"
he laughs.
Next up for Slayer is a live DVD and possibly even a career-encompassing
boxed set. Speaking of which: if they could go back and change
anything, would they do so?
"Just one thing," beams Tom. "I'd carry a video
camera with me at all times!"
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| MOTORMOUTH!
THE GOSPEL ACCORDING TO KERRY KING!
"It's
ironic that Ozzy can play for the Queen, but not show up for
two Ozzfests."
Kerry on Ozzy Osbourne
"Have
you seen his hair? Now he's trying to be Phil Anselmo. I've
never slagged Machine Head - the band. We considered them sacred
because we took them out on their first tour. But I've not liked
anything they've done since the first album. So if Flynn interprets
that as me saying, 'You suck and so does everything you're about',
well
sorry."
Kerry on Robb Flynn from Machine Head
"It
was the most Spïnal Tap thing I ever saw. They've got three
guitar players onstage and you can't hear any of them until
one does a lead. There's something seriously wrong with that."
Kerry on the reformed Iron Maiden
"I
don't know whether they were doing a raindance at the Ozzfest,
but I think I heard them doing a chant that would give them
some credibility."
Kerry on Cradle Of Filth
"You
know why he turned the gig [with us] down? His mum wouldn't
let him play in Slayer!"
Kerry on Soulfly's Joe Nunez
"Musically
they're pretty happening, but not that entertaining to watch.
I need to be entertained, anybody can play fucking guitar."
Kerry on In Flames
"I
hate to see them fail because they're my heroes, but the songwriting
on their last two records just sucked a big dick."
Kerry on Judas Priest
"Interviewers
come to me and ask me questions because they want a fucking
opinion - and I've got one."
Kerry on Kerry |

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