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PAUL
RODGERS
© Dave Ling - May 1997
previously published in FRONTIERS magazine
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The
question most asked of the music journalist is, Whos
the most famous person that youve interviewed? And
having pondered awhile, yours truly will now probably have to
answer with the name of Paul Rodgers. Granted, Rodgers might
perhaps lack the glamour of a W Axl Rose, a Ritchie Blackmore,
a Brian May or an Angus Young, but an extraordinary 28-year
career has seen him notching up sales that better or match those
of equally legendary stature.
Over the course of stints with Free, Bad Company, The Firm and
The Law, as well as three solo albums (1983s Cut
Loose, 1993s Muddy Water Blues and the
just-issued Now), Middlesbrough-born Rodgers has
shifted in excess of 125 million records. And that was
just yesterday, mate! the singer quips when reminded of
the fact.
It has been claimed that Frees Alright Now
a song from their 1970 Fire And Water album
is heard somewhere in the world every 45 seconds, and
the tune was recently recognised by music copyrighters ASCAP
for achieving over a hundred million radio plays in the USA
alone. Not too shabby, huh? |
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Unfortunately,
Rodgers isnt able to offer anything like a detailed breakdown
of those 125 million albums, although the Free and Bad Company
stuff inevitably account for the lions share of the total.
That said, Muddy Water Blues was nominated for a
Grammy award, and the reviews of Now have been unanimously
positive.
Its amazing, yeah, agrees Rodgers happily.
I cannot believe the feedback that weve been getting.
Paul uses the we collectively, as opposed to I,
because Now was recorded with a steady backing band
of guitarist Geoff Whitehorn, bassist Jaz Lochrie and drummer
Jimmy Copley. All have worked with the likes of Pete Townshend,
Jeff Beck, Crawler, Paul McCartney, Roger Daltrey, Procol Harum,
Seal and Go West; Rodgers favours experience over the young
guns scenario that Robert Plant has worked so well. Whitehorn
even gets a composition credit on the new album, as does Journey
guitarist Neal Schon who co-wrote Saving Grace.
Rodgers describes Now as blues and soul crossed
with rock n roll and stylistically it doesnt
throw up too many surprises. So what kind of things does he
listen to these days?
Probably the same kind of thing I enjoyed 10 years ago
I still break out the vinyl and have a wallow when I
get the chance, replies Paul. But theres some
great talent out there now, and funnily enough the music Im
enjoying most is being made by girl singers. Tracy Chapmans
really got something special, Alanis Morissette is a great songwriter
and I love Cheryl Crow. Its great to see the ladies doing
well. |
| When
I first heard W Axl Rose sing I thought, Whos that
shrieking perv?! |
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Paul Rodgers has become celebrated as a singers singer,
and it comes as no shock that he had little fondness for grunge,
a movement in which any kind of vocal ability was frowned upon.
So its perhaps unlikely that he would turn out to be a
fan of Pearl Jams resident king of misery, Eddie Vedder.
Hes great and I love his band, they did some good
things, reckons Rodgers. But the grunge thing wasnt
for me at all. Part of what I do involves getting into the wall
of sound thing, with plenty of distortion, but you shouldnt
do that all night. It shouldnt become your whole act.
Throughout whatever Ive done therell always be a
Gospel influence thrown in, or an acoustic song or two. I believe
in dynamics, and grunge didnt have that at all.
To spice things up a little, I wonder if Paul will give us his
opinions on a few other noted vocalists. What about former Deep
Purple/Trapeze bassist/singer Glenn Hughes, to start off with?
Hes great, actually. Ive been out in Europe
doing promotion for my record and Ive been hearing a lot
about Glenn. People are saying I should check out his latest
album [Addiction] and I probably will. |
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Rodgers
shouldnt have too much trouble in getting hold of a copy,
as hes currently a label-mate of Hughes on SPV Records.
Moving along, what about the singing style of Guns N Roses
frontman W Axl Rose?
When I first heard him I thought, Whos that
shrieking perv?! Oh, thats rotten of me to have
said that [Too late! Ed], but hes very distinctive
the kind of voice you either love or hate. But I love
Slash [GNR guitarist] to pieces, hes a very good
friend of mine. A lot of people expect him to have an attitude
when they meet him, but hes a lovely guy. A real sweetheart.
Chris Cornell of Soundgarden?
I have to profess ignorance on that one; I dont
know who he is.
After the last Whitesnake tour, some people said that David
Coverdales voice had seen better days, but Rodgers
whose gravely, blues-drenched tones have often been likened
to those of Coverdale tactfully refuses to be drawn on
this issue.
David Cover-Version? he muses. Well, I have
a lot of sympathy for anyone whos a singer because its
not the easiest job in the world. When you pick up a microphone,
you set yourself up to be shot down in flames. So I really wouldnt
knock him. Hes done some good things in his career. |
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To
these ears, Rodgers voice has altered little in the past
28 years.
People often ask me if I think its changed and its
hard for me to say because Im so close to it, he
reflects. My influences have stayed the same; Otis Redding,
Wilson Pickett, James Brown, Muddy Waters and Howling Wolf.
I think Im still trying to sound like them. |
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dont know what theyve actually achieved by persevering
as Bad Company.
Theyve stagnated and let themselves down. At least Im
trying to move into new areas |
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Another
pleasing aspect of Rodgers career is that he finally feels
comfortable again with his past. The singer recently toured
the UK, choosing to reinstate several classic numbers like All
Right Now, Fire And Water and Feel Like
Making Love into his set. Paul admits to mixed feelings
about this move, but cannot argue with its popularity among
the fans.
I hadnt done those songs for such a long time,
he recalls. Free did Free songs, Bad Company did Bad Company
and neer the twain would meet. Ive always tried
to keep those things separate, but when I was touring Muddy
Waters Blues it kinda seemed okay to mix in a few oldies.
The audience was requesting them and the band wanted to play
them, it was only me in the middle that didnt want to.
So we tried a few of them out, and after such a long time
it turned out to be fun, he adds. It helps to be
playing them again with different band members, it gives a different
slant. What Ive been doing on my latest tour was something
from all my past bands. A few highlights from each and then
onto the Now stuff. It would be a lot for the audience
to swallow if I just played the entire new album. When the next
one comes along, Ill gradually introduce the new songs.
With such a vast catalogue of quality material, Rodgers could
well be up onstage for several hours at a time. In the days
of, for instance, Free, was he aware of the importance of what
he and his colleagues were doing?
Well, it was important to us, he reflects. We
grew up in a time when rock n roll was like yesterdays
newspaper here today, gone tomorrow. That was the sum
total of its significance. But it wasnt like that to us,
we really felt it. And we really believed it. We had to have
a lot of heart and soul if we were to get a record company interested
and really get out music out there to those people. But have
said that, I am surprised that All Right Now is
still out there and kicking. |
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You
might like to know that Rodgers was as appalled as you and I when
the aforementioned Free anthem was used to advertise chewing gum.
How offensive!
Yeah, and I was surprised to say the least because nobody
told me about it, he reveals. But you must realise
that when we very young, Free signed a contract which pretty much
gave our lives away.
It was a stupid thing to have done, but unfortunately we were
naïve and have paid the price. I believe it was there in
the small print that our songs could be used in commercials, but
they were supposed to inform us of what they were planning to
do. The first I heard of it was when Whoa whoa whoa
came out of the TV and I thought, That sounds like me.
To be honest, I do find it a bit insulting. |
| When
we very young, Free signed a contract which pretty much gave
our lives away.
It was a stupid thing to have done, but unfortunately we were
naïve and have paid the price |
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also less than chuffed about the continued existence of Bad
Company, last seen being fronted by Robert Hart (formerly
of a hugely underrated act called The Distance) after several
years of ex-Ted Nugent mouthpiece Brian Howe filling the Rodgers
role.
I admit that Im not overly thrilled about that,
he sighs. They did call and ask if they could carry
on using the name after Id left. I wasnt very
keen on the idea, but they didnt have anything else
to do, so I agreed. But I dont know what theyve
actually achieved by persevering as Bad Company. I really
dont. Theyve stagnated and let themselves down.
At least Im trying to move into new areas. Although
Im playing a few of my older songs again, its
very important that I provide a bit more than mere nostalgia.
Whilst
were on the subject of ex-bands, Paul takes the opportunity
to explain the dissolution of his short-lived project The
Law, which he formed with ex-Small Faces drummer Kenney Jones
back in 1991. A self-titled album was cut and received favourable
reviews, but the band eventually fizzled out. |
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problem was a lack of gigs, he recalls. We had a big
build-up and then it went off like a balloon without a knot in
it. The irony was that Kenney and I formed that band to get us
back on the road, and the only date we ever played was [at Milton
Keynes Bowl] with ZZ Top, which was reasonably well received.
We had great management with ZZ Tops people and the record
company [Atlantic] seemed to be behind what we wanted to do, but
I dont know whether the problem was political or financial
it just didnt happen.
A partnership with ex-Led Zeppelin guitarist Jimmy Page, The Firm
lasted for two albums The Firm in 1985 and
the following years Mean Business and
a couple of world tours. It would be fair to state that The Law
were just about the only non-starter in Rodgers long career.
Considering all the records hes sold, is he bothered by
the more negative traits of fame? |
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really, reflects the singer. I can walk down the street
without being bothered. I look so different to the guy who was
in Free and Bad Company because my hairs now really short.
I prefer it that way. It means I can still travel on public transport
and I still do; only yesterday I came home to Guildford from London
on the train. It was to see a very nice chick
but thats
another story! |
| Im
still trying to sound like Otis Redding, Wilson Pickett, James
Brown,
Muddy Waters and Howling Wolf |
When
asked to isolate just one moment of which he is particularly proud,
Paul selects a jam with Otis Reddings backing band.
That was absolutely awe-inspiring, he enthuses. It
happened in New York, at Madison Square Garden. Even though the
venue is a legendary one and Id already played it before
with Bad Company, and I think we did four or five nights
that one show and that one song was extra special to me
because I did it with those guys. It was a real goosebumps moment,
and Ill never forget it. |
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