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SEBASTIAN
BACH
Under Interrogation © Dave Ling - December 2002
previously published in Classic Rock magazine
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It
wasnt the greeting that worried me. During the 13 years
that Ive been interviewing Sebastian Bach, there have
been a variety of headlocks and bear hugs. Fortunately, today
its just a super-firm handshake. Although in the past
hes spat huge globules of phlegm across the room to express
disgust at certain subjects, and once even called to talk on
a mobile phone whilst taking a piss, neither was I overly concerned
about the former Skid Row frontmans behaviour during our
encounter.
My biggest reservation was how this particular conversation
might conclude. Last time we spoke face-to-face, during a press
tour for Skid Rows 1995 album Subhuman Race,
matters concluded prematurely after I stated the journalistic
consensus that the album was considerably below par. Well
see whos still doing this in ten years time, raged
Seb with a face like thunder, before booting the back of my
chair, storming from the room and cancelling the rest of his
interviews for the day.
That
decade he referred to isnt yet up, but thankfully were
both still here. What you said back then hurt so much
because I considered a writer like you, whod written a
lot of our early press, to represent the British media,
confides Bach while preparing for Classic Rocks photosession.
It was hard to take, dude. |
| The
Canadian had joined Skid Row after being spotted jamming at
the wedding of photographer Mark Weiss, and a support spot on
Bon Jovis New Jersey tour gave the fledgling
quintet their breakthrough. Unfortunately, Bachs dark
side was soon revealed and he claimed to have punched
the shit out of Jon, decked him on his fat little ass
when a dispute about a contract Skid Row had signed with Bon
Jovis Underground publishing company was leaked to the
press.
Sebs wildman credentials were further emphasised by a
string of antics, some amusing and some irresponsible. He wiped
his derriere on a copy of the Daily Star at Docklands Arena
(his tackle flying free in the process) and incurred a lifetime
ban at Wembley through playing the song Get The Fuck Out
when warned not to. Even more regrettably, however, he also
wore a T-shirt embazoned with the slogan Aids Kills Faggots,
and in front of MTVs cameras threw a glass bottle back
into a Massachsetts crowd after it had hit him on the head.
A female 14-year-old required 125 stitches.
Finally, Skid Rows patience snapped, and the relative
failure of Subhuman Race enabled them to dismiss
Bach at the end of 1996. The last time he spoke to Classic Rock,
in Issue 13, Sebastian claimed to have no idea why hed
been let go, adding ruefully: Ill never
understand why we dropped the ball. Now a solo artist,
his 1999 album Bring Em Bach Alive has just
been reissued, and Bach has a variety of projects on the go. |
| Youre
here for an appearance on the Never Mind The Buzzcocks,
the BBC1 gameshow. Do you know much about British pop music?
Ha ha
no. Well, Iron Maiden had a No 1 record, so thats
pop music, right?
So
how will you act when they inevitably take the piss, as they
did to Megadeths Dave Mustaine and Bruce Dickinson from
Iron Maiden?
Ive been on that show twice in America, but the American
version flopped - hopefully that wasnt my fault. I dont
know how a host on British gameshow could go after me
theyre the retarded ones for paying me $1,800 to come
over for 45 minutes work. Dude, everyone says hes gonna
be horrible, but Ill show him fuckin horrible! I
can rewrite the fuckin level of horrible. Ill give
him a taste of horror. |
Someday
maybe I can be as wild as Dionne fuckin Warwick. What
fuckin bullshit |
| You
recently posted an extremely touching tribute to your father,
David Bierk, at your website.
Which characteristics good or bad did you inherit from your
parents?
My dad was a painter who had shows all over the biggest galleries
in New York. Elton John, Bon Jovi, Axl Rose and Gene Simmons
all bought his paintings. He just let me know that nothing was
impossible. My intensity, the way I talk, he made me realize
that singing wasnt a vocational choice, it was a life
choice.
My only regret is that Ive been on the road from the age
of 13 to now, aged 34, and I missed out on so much family life.
I never just got a bowl of popcorn, sat down with my dad and
watched the TV. He told me on his deathbed, Everybody
in this world is too busy. Id say to readers of
this magazine, if youve got somebody - whether its
your brother, your mom or sister - just enjoy life with them
for just a fuckin second, because I look back and God
[trails off].
Since being kicked out of Skid Row in 1996 youve spread
your wings into TV presenting and appearing in the Broadway
versions of Jekyll & Hyde and The Rocky Horror
Show.
One of my idols, Geoff Tate [of Queensrÿche], keeps calling
and asking how I got onto Broadway. The honest truth is that
Broadway came to me. I never in a million years thought Id
have the braincells left to memorise the Jekyll & Hyde script.
I shit you not, its like War And Peace. How it happened
was that Jason Flom at Atlantic signed Skid Row in 1987, and
Atlantic also has a theatre division. Jason called and said
I had the meanest voice and the personality to do it, and believe
me when I was Edward Hyde I became Edward Hyde. It was cool
music, I swear, some of its like Sad Wings Of Destiny
[the 1976 Judas Priest album]. |
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When
a woman in the first row handed you a rose, you bit the head
off. Why did you do that?
It was my way of saying, Im on Broadway, but Im
still Sebastian Bach.
By
the time this article is printed, you will be on a year-long
US tour playing the lead character in Jesus Christ Superstar.
Andrew Lloyd Webber requested a stack of Skid Row CDs, and all
my pictures, I swear to God. And he came back and said, Hello,
is Jesus Christ there?, so he made the decision.
Some might say that this is a role youve spent your
life rehearsing for.
[Sounding slightly hurt]: I must be a fucking moron. I never
thought you wouldve said that, dude. Sometimes Im
so confused by other peoples perception of me. |
| Well,
they say that youre an egomaniac.
Dude, you have to be on of those to go on stage. What do you
want to see, some fucking guy singing [in nerdy, apologetic
voice]: We are the youth gone wild? If I didnt
have my ego I wouldnt be doing it. I dont think
its misplaced though, I hope not. I wake up every day
and hope Im gonna have a great day, be the nicest guy
ever. But if someones a dick to me, Im gonna be
a fuckin dick back to them.
Youre
an ass-kicking rock dude from the 80s thats now playing
Jesus. Could you imagine Axl or Vince Neil doing the same thing?
Absolutely not, and thats not a slight against them, Axl
has already proved he cant be on time. I love Axl Rose,
but let me get this through everybodys head: were
talking eight shows a week for 42 weeks. Thats tough work. |
If
someones a dick to me, Im gonna be a fuckin
dick back to them |
| Would
you someday like to follow your old rival Jon Bon Jovi into
the movies?
I dont differentiate movies or Broadway,
what I care about is presenting my fans with something that
entertains. And if Im entertained by it my fans will be,
too. So if I got a great film role, yeah, cool.
What
do you think of Jons acting abilities? And would he work
you him in an acting role if the part demanded it?
Ive never seen him really act. There was one movie where
he was a pot dealer, and I saw a little bit of that, but hes
a very good actor because he doesnt smoke pot! I did have
acrimony towards Jon for years, but on my Forever Wild TV show
I interviewed Tico Torres [Bon Jovi drummer], we played Lay
Your Hands On Me, had a brew at the bar and talked about
the old days. All I was ever mad at Jon for was to let me have
my own life. That was it. Please, I dont need someone
to hold my fucking hand. |
Ive
not changed my home phone number since 1989 - never make yourself
too inaccessible |
| We
didnt get to see your VH1 rock show Forever Wild
before it was cancelled back in April. Care to tell us about
it?
It was kinda obscure, I got to go through the VH1 vaults and
pick the videos. We had You Really Got Me by Van
Halen on the first show, and W.A.S.P.s I Wanna Be
Somebody
but it was my show!
That
explains why it ran for just five months.
Yeah, but it was fun. I got to go to Ted Nugents 200-acre
farm and shoot wild boar, and eat it, of course. I went car
racing with Vince Neil and golfing with Tommy Lee. I was in
the studio with Rob Halford while he was recording the song
Crucible
waaaaaah! It was 16 episodes, which
was twice as long as the [first series of] The Osbournes.
Maybe a fifth of the people watched it, but it was a midnight
rock show.
They offered me another show, at four in the afternoon, but
they would be picking the videos and it was cheesy things like
Quiet Riot, stuff to laugh at. I will not make fun of heavy
metal, or patronize people. |
You
then resurfaced on - of all things - the Learning Channels
The New Sideshow, which was described as a not-for-the-weak-of-heart
documentary on todays more outrageous carnival acts
that included human pincushion The Impaler. Do you do these unusual
things to keep you in the public eye, or because you enjoy them?
Of course because I enjoy them
doh! Let me offer this piece
of advice, Ive not changed my home phone number since 1989.
Never make yourself too inaccessible, its good for business
when people know where you are. I wake up, press play and its,
Hey Sebastian, do you want to do this?
next
message, Hey Sebastian, how about this?
You just have to play the cards that are dealt you, its
a very different world than it was. Im in this to sing,
so if I can get my voice heard in whatever fashion then thats
what Ill do. Ozzy is the most famous hes ever been,
not because of his music but because of a fucking TV show. Im
not being flown over to England to sing, Im being flown
over to go on a gameshow. That is fucked. |
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| What
you also have to consider is that the venues Ill be playing
Jesus Christ in are the same ones that Skid Row headlined for
Slave To The Grind tour
the Paramount in Seattle,
the Fox in Atlanta. But instead of doing one show, Im
now doing eight shows in the same venue. So Ive finally
topped what I did in the past.
Cmon, you must admit youd rather be coming here
to play rock music?
Ive just saw in your magazine that Alex Lifeson says no
British promoter wants Rush. Hey, Ive been asking British
promoters since 1996 to come over and they just laugh! Ive
done two full American tours, 104 shows on the first tour, 90
shows on the second, a sold-out tour of Japan. Im dying
to play here, man, but the offers they give me are like
restaurants! Dont you have to suck first? Ive never
played England and flopped - not fucking once! Thank God for
the USA.
You
just mentioned The Osbournes. Can you imagine the footage MTV
would have got if theyd followed you around in 1992?
Ha ha ha, there wouldnt have been a TV show made out of
it. You couldnt air it. But there seems to be a perception
that as soon as we woke up and did drugs and drank, and thats
not true. I never did a show drunk - ever.
Am
I right in thinking youve cut out most of those antics?
I hate that shit, Ive not done a line [of coke] since
1993. I have no desire to. A part of me still has that personality
when I get too sad, when my dad died I was drinking way too
much, but just beer. Back in those days everybody was fucking
doing it, you were the weirdo if you werent. |
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You
were recently involved in what was dramatically reported as
making terroristic threats to a New Jersey bartender
who refused to let you take your drink outside his club, then
for having marijuana and rolling papers on you when you were
arrested.
Id been shooting an episode of Forever Wild with Vince
Neil, whos always a bad influence on me; they talk about
the bad boys of rock, Im like Queen Elizabeth compared
to Vince. But theres a side of me that can get down and
dirty. I was with Vince for a week down on south beach in Miami,
waking up each morning and just getting ripped. When I got back
to New Jersey, my chick was giving me shit on the phone because
she wanted to party with Mötley Crüe. And I was like,
Babe, its my job, I get paid to party with the Crüe.
This is how I feed our kids, so let me party with the Crüe,
you stay home and everythingll be fine. And she
was like, Grrrrrrrrr. So I go, Fuck you, Im
not coming home and tell the limo driver to turn around
because were going to Broadway.
I get a hotel suite and get VH1 to pay for it, order up fucking
booze and some other things, and all my friends come over to
party. I stayed there for like two days, until she called and
was nice to me. Its a two hour limo drive home and by
then Im so fuckin drunk, my chick gives me a little
bit of shit. So I take a bunch of Molsons [beers] and walk to
this bar, I never drive while drunk. Ive been going to
this bar for 12 years and all these chicks, dudes and businessmen
are excited to see me, so then Im holding court. |
| This
guy suggests we go outside and bust a joint, but the bartender
says hes gonna call the police if I take my beer - I told
him to go ahead. He fucking rails me, punches me right in the
fucking head and I freaked out, so I tackled him around the
waist brought him into the one wall, stood on his neck and said,
Ill fucking kill you, mutherfucker. The whole
bar was freaked out, but he threw the first punch. I had a couple
of joints in my pocket, so I got busted for marijuana. And the
next days headline was, Sebastian Bach Busted For
Drugs And Terroristic Threats. Dionne Warwick was arrested
for having seven marijuana cigarettes, and I had a joint
someday maybe I can be as wild as Dionne fuckin Warwick.
What fuckin bullshit.
If
Skid Row came back to you - and I stress those four words -
would you someday agree to rejoin them?
Itd all depend on the music, thats the only reason
I joined them in the first place. But Rachel [Bolan, bass] and
Snake [guitar] were the best fucking songwriters I ever fuckin
met, and they just dont do it anymore. Anyone can go on
the internet and find out what happened between me and the guys,
just download the Ozone Monday record [make with singer Sawn
McCabe]. That was supposed to be the fourth Skid Row record.
The reason Im not singing on it is that it fucking sucks!
I mean, Andrew Lloyd Webber or Ozone Monday? Well [chuckles
maliciously]
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Kids
think that music is free. My 14-year-old son downloads Arch
Enemy and Cradle of Filth songs
and Im the asshole dad who says, Bands worked
really hard on those |
| Do
you even have any interest in hearing Thick Is The Skin,
the album theyve made with your replacement, Johnny Sollinger?
No. But what fucking year will it come out. Those guys have
been saying, We got a whole album done. Well, lets
fuckin hear it. Im giving you two fucking albums,
Im giving you three fucking musicals, five tours. Ive
got nothing to hide, dude. You may not even like
Bach
Alive, but at least Im delivering product.
Why
do you feel that the band made such a phenomenal early impact,
from the Marquee to Hammersmith Odeon in a matter of months?
Just the songs and the way we attacked our music. Revolver magazine
recently said Skid Row was one of the best metal albums of all
time because they played a song like Youth Gone Wild
like they were playing Angel Of Death by Slayer.
Would they be so successful now? In the year 2002 kids think
that music is free. My 14-year-old son spends all day downloading
Arch Enemy and Cradle of Filth and Im the asshole dad
who has to say, You shouldnt be making those CDs,
those bands worked really hard on those. He looks at me
like, What the fuck is your problem?
I get like emails that say, Sebastian, I went to five
shops looking for Bring Em Bach Alive and
couldnt find it, but I downloaded it and it fucking rocks,
dude. One the one hand I wanna go, Thanks man,
and on the other hand I wanna hold my head in my hands, but
everybodys in that same situation.
So
you were in agreement with Lars Ulrich on the Napster issue?
Oh, definitely. I even did this CD called Bach To Basics
because somebody told me to go onto Napster and when I saw what
Sebastian Bach stuff was available I almost fuckin committed
suicide. The whole The Last Hard Men CD was there, before I
even fuckin played it for my friends. So I ripped my own
CD off Napster and now I sell it on the web. |
The
last time we were in a room together you lost your temper in a
row over Subhuman Race. Can you now stand back a bit
and understand why fans felt it wasnt as good as the first
two?
Yeah, but how can a writer say what a record should sound like
when theyre not even in the band? What I find humorous is
that nobody liked that record, but 12 years later were still
talking about that fucking record. When I hear Subhuman
Race now I hear more Bob Rock [producer], because he did
the same thing as he did on Metallicas Load.
He changed things. I remember him saying, Everybody knows
you can scream, Sebastian, and suggesting I sing like Scott
Weiland [of Stone Temple Pilots]. Why dont you just take
a thoroughbred racehorse and hit him on the fuckin kneecap
with a baseball bat? I do like that album, but its not a
fun record. Youth Gone Wild was fun. |
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| Lets
imagine you can go back in time and change three events in your
life. If you dont mind, Id like to guess that they
would be: a) signing away such a large percentage of your royalties
to Jon Bon Jovi, b) the bottle-throwing incident and c), not
having hit Jon harder. Am I right?
Awww, I have more good memories of Bon Jovi than bad ones now.
Ive bashed Jon relentlessly in the past, but I dont
feel that way any more. When I think of those times when I was
touring with Bon Jovi and living at his house for two weeks
okay, maybe the deal we signed wasnt the most equitable
of all time, but its possible that if we hadnt,
you might never have heard of me. And I respect his tenacity
in an industry that devours its young and old alike.
So to answer your question
I did wear a really ridiculous
T-shirt, and I cant believe Im bringing it up again,
but it was really rotten, really stupid. And the bottle throwing
thing, yeah, Id change that. Then again, if somebody cracks
you in the head with a bottle, what do you do? You aint
thinking rationally. If somebody hit me with a bottle in the
head again Id probably knock the fuck right out of them. |
| You
even turned down Playgirl?
Twice. I already get known for things other than my voice, like
my hair or going to jail or whatever, and I want to be known
as a singer. That means more to me than anything.
Apart
from your Broadway activities, whats the delay in following
up Bring Em Bach Alive?
Atlantic Records signed me in 1987 and they still have first
right of refusal [on my work]. Bring Em Bach Alive
has the Atlantic logo and the Spitfire logo because Atlantic
technically owns Sebastian Bach, and they license to certain
territories where Atlantic didnt put it out - including
Britain, because Mary Hooton, my great friend, fucking rejected
the fucking record.
The next record will be done when its done. I want to
deliver a product thatll get the proper exposure; I dont
want it coming out three years later in one country than another.
Im doing it, but the fans have to realise how the internet
has taken the wind out of the sails of the music industry. Theres
always trepidation and anticipation about delivering a CD in
this climate.
How
do you think youll feel aged 65 with 'Youth Gone Wild'
tattooed on your arm?
Ill just get I was the tattooed on my bicep.
Right up here, dude. I got that space reserved. |
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